Xbox Gpu Repaste Is Pointless

[big F]

On 4/20/2020 at 5:34 PM, OGXbox Admin said:

I do want to point out though, that literally everyone talks about removing the clock cap as good advice. If you disagree I'd like to see your explanation for this. 

That COMPLETELY nullifies any argument against changing thermal paste. It's not difficult and not as risky as removing a capacitor. 

WTF you mean all these years I have removed the capacitors, and I should have left them in place to rot the boards……………Dang, coulda been doing something more productive.

[OGXbox Admin]

On 11/22/2021 at 6:13 PM, big F said:

WTF you mean all these years I have removed the capacitors, and I should have left them in place to rot the boards……………Dang, coulda been doing something more productive.

That of course isn't what I was saying. Please try to pay attention from now on. 

[big F]

7 hours ago, OGXbox Admin said:

That of course isn't what I was saying. Please try to pay attention from now on. 

You know I was joking……….

[Plato]

Very late to this discussion but I've been modding/repairing consoles for several years.

In my experience, it's good practice to replace the thermal paste whenever the heat sinks have been upset or moved for whatever reason.

As with the X360, you need to remove the X-clamps in order to get to some solder points and you really need to replace the paste as the heatsink has been disturbed.

In short, if you've disturbed the heatsink, change the paste.

[fox]

Weird synchronicity, someone registering just to bump this contentious thread after I was remembering it the last couple days. My experience with thermal pastes is limited to arctic silver 5 but out of the dozen separate things where I've re-pasted a processor, including an xbox, the resulting temps are always much higher than they were with the factory paste no matter how well I apply the silver. Worst example, my laptop's average temps are 15c higher than they were before, and after two years.... So much for thermal cycles curing the paste.

 

Either factory pastes really are superior or AS5 isn't what the shills said it is. *shrug*  Anyway I'm not repasting my xbox gpu.

[corona2222]

2 hours ago, fox said:

AS5 isn't what the shills said it is. *shrug* 

or fake AS5 paste

[HDShadow]

I prefer AS MX4 - proven exceptional longevity (8years before you need to consider replacing it) and no curing required (unlike AS5). Essentially: use it and forget.

I have two MX4 pasted  PCs, used regularly, one about 6 years old the other over 3 years and particularly during the summer I have temperature reporting software running all the time. The reported temperatures of the older one are no different from what they were at the start.

However, as I probably said earlier in this thread, I've replaced one Xbox's CPU's thermal paste with MX4. The temperatures reported by UnleashX and XBMC showed no difference from the factory paste temperatures.

That thermal paste must have been at least 14 years old and that's why I too question whether redoing the thermal paste is actually necessary.

There's also the chance that in getting the heat sink off and/or cleaning up the old paste you're going to damage the chip. That's another reason for leaving it alone, particularly if the reported temperatures are not indicating an overheating problem.

Found my original post here from 2020 and didn't really need to add to it :-

     https://www.ogxbox.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2753-xbox-gpu-repaste-is-pointless/&do=findComment&comment=18482

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by HDShadow

[Plato]

12 hours ago, fox said:

Weird synchronicity, someone registering just to bump this contentious thread after I was remembering it the last couple days. My experience with thermal pastes is limited to arctic silver 5 but out of the dozen separate things where I've re-pasted a processor, including an xbox, the resulting temps are always much higher than they were with the factory paste no matter how well I apply the silver. Worst example, my laptop's average temps are 15c higher than they were before, and after two years.... So much for thermal cycles curing the paste.

 

Either factory pastes really are superior or AS5 isn't what the shills said it is. *shrug*  Anyway I'm not repasting my xbox gpu.

Just registered because I'm in a retro mood and decided to awaken my OgBox after years of not so fun gaming. 

[prtscn]

On 9/1/2022 at 4:55 PM, Plato said:

Very late to this discussion but I've been modding/repairing consoles for several years.

In my experience, it's good practice to replace the thermal paste whenever the heat sinks have been upset or moved for whatever reason.

As with the X360, you need to remove the X-clamps in order to get to some solder points and you really need to replace the paste as the heatsink has been disturbed.

In short, if you've disturbed the heatsink, change the paste.

Too many tutorials copying each other.

Many modders think it's a regular thermal paste, which is not.

Second, what thermal paste glues heatsink tight?

Third, no one know what this stuff really is.

Fourth, the only thing i noticed is that it softens into goo when it's heated up, even slightly. That means service life is LOOONG.

I noticed CPU is also using some sort of rubbery stuff. I think i need to observe what it does when heated up.

 

 

[prtscn]

On 9/2/2022 at 8:52 AM, fox said:

Weird synchronicity, someone registering just to bump this contentious thread after I was remembering it the last couple days. My experience with thermal pastes is limited to arctic silver 5 but out of the dozen separate things where I've re-pasted a processor, including an xbox, the resulting temps are always much higher than they were with the factory paste no matter how well I apply the silver. Worst example, my laptop's average temps are 15c higher than they were before, and after two years.... So much for thermal cycles curing the paste.

 

Either factory pastes really are superior or AS5 isn't what the shills said it is. *shrug*  Anyway I'm not repasting my xbox gpu.

Improper application or fake thermal paste. OR both. Spread method is the best, saves up paste and guarantees full coverage.

[coldasijs]

@prtscn the CPU uses the same stuff. I know because I removed the stuff on advice of the internet 

[Hellraiser988]

On 4/7/2020 at 8:43 PM, prtscn said:

You clearly hate me, because I'm being honest. And cleaning thermal compound from xbox is not an easy task. And i bet, you never done this. You talk like a scammer from oil change company.

 

 

 

I'll admit it's a bitch but in my experience it improved temps by 10-20°C which in my opinion is a very good thing 

[Hellraiser988]

On 9/2/2022 at 4:52 AM, fox said:

Weird synchronicity, someone registering just to bump this contentious thread after I was remembering it the last couple days. My experience with thermal pastes is limited to arctic silver 5 but out of the dozen separate things where I've re-pasted a processor, including an xbox, the resulting temps are always much higher than they were with the factory paste no matter how well I apply the silver. Worst example, my laptop's average temps are 15c higher than they were before, and after two years.... So much for thermal cycles curing the paste.

 

Either factory pastes really are superior or AS5 isn't what the shills said it is. *shrug*  Anyway I'm not repasting my xbox gpu. 

I think artic silver requires curing 

 

[big F]

I have a few applicators of the OEM stuff at work, when weget repairs returned they always send some even though the cpu and gpu block are already set.

Maybe  I should do a few tests. I have some genuine  Artic silver 5 and some MX4 and a no name as5 clone that has worked well on PCs.  Also some where I have a few of the stick in place and cure pads, that many laptop OEMs like to use.

[Bowlsnapper]

The only reason I could see this being useful is if you are overclocking or seriously putting a load on the cores. I LOVE the stock thermal glue; It's bulletproof. I can use the sinks as handles and even feel the sinks shift around and my temps stay solid.

[PRince404]

So we really don't know what the stuff used is? Damn. 

[Bowlsnapper]

8 minutes ago, PRince404 said:

So we really don't know what the stuff used is? Damn. 

As far as I'm aware, it's like a light form of Thermal Glue, which is designed to hold on heatsinks without them needing to be clamped. It is a popular solution when doing the OG processor upgrades, since a consistent heatsink fastening solution isn't really widespread.

[CryogeniumFocus]

Thermal glue it is. I forgot its exact type but I've also seen it on desktop mainboards, used for northbridge heatsinks most of the time. (e.g Intel 865, 965, nVidia MCP68, ATI RS690, etc.)

The pink one found in some 1.0 and 1.1 is usually what's used on the chipsets mentioned above, with the black stuff found past those versions usually showing up on Intel Desktop Boards specifically.

Edited June 18, 2024 by CryogeniumFocus

[nikeymikey]

On 6/15/2024 at 9:05 PM, Bowlsnapper said:

As far as I'm aware, it's like a light form of Thermal Glue, which is designed to hold on heatsinks without them needing to be clamped. It is a popular solution when doing the OG processor upgrades, since a consistent heatsink fastening solution isn't really widespread.

 

52 minutes ago, CryogeniumFocus said:

Thermal glue it is. I forgot its exact type but I've also seen it on desktop mainboards, used for northbridge heatsinks most of the time. (e.g Intel 865, 965, nVidia MCP68, ATI RS690, etc.)

The pink one found in some 1.0 and 1.1 is usually what's used on the chipsets mentioned above, with the black stuff found past those versions usually showing up on Intel Desktop Boards specifically.

Something here might be similar, although which one I wouldn't have a clue lol

https://next.henkel-adhesives.com/us/en/products.html/producttype_industrial-root-producttype.html?filter.nestedCategory=producttype_industrial-root-producttype%3Aproducttype_2.3.5.4.13&filter.nestedCategory=producttype_industrial-root-producttype&filter.sort=featured

[Bowlsnapper]

15 minutes ago, nikeymikey said:

 

Something here might be similar, although which one I wouldn't have a clue lol

https://next.henkel-adhesives.com/us/en/products.html/producttype_industrial-root-producttype.html?filter.nestedCategory=producttype_industrial-root-producttype%3Aproducttype_2.3.5.4.13&filter.nestedCategory=producttype_industrial-root-producttype&filter.sort=featured

I think that repastes using this stuff would be more professional and a better long term solution.

[nikeymikey]

18 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said:

I think that repastes using this stuff would be more professional and a better long term solution.

They seem to have both a liquid form and a pad type (similar to whats used on the Gamecube heatsinks). If someone can work out which pad type there would be best then we should all start using it

[prtscn]

mistery solved - phase change pad. Credits to video creator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XJEYimSmTw

[PRince404]

5 minutes ago, prtscn said:

mistery solved - phase change pad. Credits to video creator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XJEYimSmTw

Last time I saw this was on LTT. And these were really hard to obtain. 

[Sizlwik]

could be that ptm7950 that lenovo uses well not really 7950 i think they use a custom batch for their lenovo legion laptops so i wouldn't be surprised if thats what Microsoft used back then obviously not ptm 7950 since I doubt that was a thing back then but something similar

 

[big F]

Aliexpress sell the pads, literally dozens of sellers. May get some whenI next have an OG that needs the heat sink removing.