BlownUpTurtle Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) So I done a ram upgrade which resulted in a freeze, red/orange then frag (wasn’t able to test 1 by 1), removing all 4 chips didn’t fix the issue. Attempting it again with another board, first chip was a success with xblast, second chip was installed by the cpu, xblast then froze when checking that chip and now that console is fragging, again removing that one chip doesn’t fix the issue. Are the boards dead or is there things I can try? Edited May 6, 2021 by BlownUpTurtle Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 I have also checked all the components around the area with a multimeter and all of them appear to be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaosEngineer Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Does the console flash Red/Orange or Red/Green? What version Xbox? There may be a break in the PCI_RESET# trace. Therefore, the RAM chips do not get properly initialized on startup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 The 1.2 console attempts to boot then freezes on startup causing lines down the screen, then it frao, then it flag The 1.4 froze on xblast and now frags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Closely examining the new chips, they all appear to have the exact same serial number so are definitely clones, my guess is the one is faulty hence the first one working, would trying another in that spot fix it do you think? I’ll get some photos today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_Dave Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 I would remove the last chip you fitted and clean the whole board and test with Xblast, I had some chips sent to me that 2 of the 4 worked and when a asked how the chips where removed a heat gun was used to remove them, When I do ram upgrades I do 1 chip at a time and test with a mod chip that has Xblast, when it gives a 100% pass on that chip then I do a different ram chip with a repeat test. I start with the hardest chip (number 4) only because the heat sinks are in the way and then the rest are a walk in the park. I also don't replace the board to test it, I just test the board only like this I now use a ATX supply that's modded for the 1.0 - 1.4 boards as it's safer and I now have a controller with power, eject buttons fitted that plugs in the board. Cheers SS Dave Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Sorry for the delay in replying, I ram out of daily posts. I used a hot air station at 350 degrees, medium airflow. On the second board (1.4) I successfully installed a chip in section 2, it’s section 4 that caused the freeze then flag. I then tried to reflow that one with no success eventually removing it, followed by the chip in section 2. Which it still refused to boot. I then removed a chip from the 1.2 board, installed it in section 4 to see if a genuine chip would make any difference but unfortunately it didn’t so that one was then removed again. One thing I did notice is some of the vias around the area got filled with solder, I don’t believe that would of caused anything would it? I sorted them out with some wick anyways but still results in frag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebTree Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) @KaosEngineer was wondering what colors the LEDs are? Green-Red LED debug code is going to be bridged solder on the RAM. Orange-Red LED debug could mean different things. Is it the TSOP or a modchip booting to XBlast? Edited May 9, 2021 by calebTree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 The 1.2 attempts to boot and freezes on boot animation, then after restarting it flashed 50% orange/ 50% red. Restarting again results in 50% red, 50% green. The 1.4 just flashes red and green after installing a ram chip in section 4. Same result after removing the chip. Both are being booted with an xecuter 3. Ive checked for bridges and there’s none from what I can see, so my only assumption is it was a faulty ram chip and has shorted something else when xblast was checking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebTree Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) Yeah, with the 1.2 I'm not sure as much about Red-Orange. With the 1.4 it is possible to bridge the solder pads too even though the RAM is removed - if you're getting Red-Green^. I like a no-clean flux pen (still requires some cleaning), plus it just takes allot of practice. Edited May 9, 2021 by calebTree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted May 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 All the solder has been removed from the pads with wick, so I can’t see a bridge being the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just an update, the Chinese ram was the cause of the frag on both consoles. I’m not sure what it’s damaged but it’s certainly fried something. I’ve used the original ram from the dead board on another and all four chips were successfully installed and work beautifully. @SS_Daveyou said you’ve got a controller modded with pwr/eject?, Is there a tutorial for doing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_Dave Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 6:47 AM, BlownUpTurtle said: Just an update, the Chinese ram was the cause of the frag on both consoles. I’m not sure what it’s damaged but it’s certainly fried something. I’ve used the original ram from the dead board on another and all four chips were successfully installed and work beautifully. @SS_Daveyou said you’ve got a controller modded with pwr/eject?, Is there a tutorial for doing that? I have used Ram from Aliexpress with out any problems and even customer ram that I have fitted that did not work all I have had to do was replace the chip, One set of ram was branded Samung (Not Samsung) and 2 of the 4 chips worked but by replacing all 4 with new Aliexpress chips it worked fine. Cheers SS Dave Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted June 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 I don’t think all four chips were faulty, but one of them definitely must have been, as the second console only shorted and fragged when xblast tested the most recently installed one, the whole screen glitched out, froze then never started again, even after the ram had been removed, so I know a bridge couldn’t of been the issue anymore. Stupidly though, I’ve put all four in the same box so now I’m unsure of which one is the culprit Thank you for your help though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_Dave Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 I and SweetDarkDestany both have looked at getting a solderless adaptor to test the ram chips but the cost of the solderless jig is out of the question so at this stage the only real way is to fit the chip and then boot to Xblast. I have tested smaller chips ( 8 and 16 pins) by holding them on the board but trying to get 100 pins to line up and connect on a used chip would be near impossible. Cheers SS Dave Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownUpTurtle Posted June 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 I wonder if you could get a G clamp and try it that way? Just have to make sure the ends are insulated and not tightened too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Are you saying that used chips are not good for an upgrade? I just tried my first chip and I'm fragging. I was dumb enough to use my 1.4 Halo console too. I sure do a lot of DUMB impulsive shit, don't I? Damn, man. lol. Why can't I just slow down... But if used RAM is no good because of alignment issues, then I wish I would have known that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Also, can you mix the hynix and samsung memory or MUST the chips match? I will pull off a successful 128MB upgrade or I'll die trying... by slitting my wrists after a failure. LMAO. (Totally Kidding!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 And can I use resoldering braid to remove this, or doni have to use hot air? My reflower hasn't traveled from China yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Yes can mix. Better to use hot air. Less of a chance of ripping a pad…. But solder wick can be used just be careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Dtomcat18 said: Yes can mix. Better to use hot air. Less of a chance of ripping a pad…. But solder wick can be used just be careful The solder wick failed... There was justess solder. Still stuck to the mobo though. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Yea. Solderwick takes a LOT of work. I’d def recommend hot air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 And tape around the part with kapton tape to help resist heat and keep small parts in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 hours ago, Dtomcat18 said: And tape around the part with kapton tape to help resist heat and keep small parts in place Yes, thankfully I do know about the kapton and I ordered a bunch. I'm set Just waiting for the reflower to show up from AliExpress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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