vekter303 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 Hello all, Browsing the site, I am aware of some drama surrounding these chips. To be clear...I want no part of that. I am having a repair done on a modded Xbox, it has an SSD already installed, it was running Open Xenium with Make MHz HD Kit. I have been given the option of a good price on a board with Stellar HD+ I just wanted to know if anyone can tell me whether some features are now available with Stellar? Specifically the UDMA and TRIM support... Also, I read somewhere that I can use Xbox One controllers like an ogx360 setup with Stellar too, is that possible? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, vekter303 said: Hello all, Browsing the site, I am aware of some drama surrounding these chips. To be clear...I want no part of that. I am having a repair done on a modded Xbox, it has an SSD already installed, it was running Open Xenium with Make MHz HD Kit. I have been given the option of a good price on a board with Stellar HD+ I just wanted to know if anyone can tell me whether some features are now available with Stellar? Specifically the UDMA and TRIM support... Also, I read somewhere that I can use Xbox One controllers like an ogx360 setup with Stellar too, is that possible? Cheers! Actually a good question. I think features keep getting added but there isn't necessarily clear documentation on what those changes are as they happen. I would be interested in the controller support and knowing how that actually works through the LPC instead of the USB hookups. Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vekter303 Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 Controller would be a bonus. UDMA and TRIM especially would be good for the SSD. I recall there was a fairly active Discord when I was originally buying the HDMI kit, but I no longer use that, or many other social media sites. Thanks for the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, vekter303 said: Controller would be a bonus. UDMA and TRIM especially would be good for the SSD. I recall there was a fairly active Discord when I was originally buying the HDMI kit, but I no longer use that, or many other social media sites. Thanks for the response. I didn't even know that Trim was available for the SSDs... That's pretty cool, honestly. I was thinking about how that would be a problem for solid state storage. Maybe @Ryzee119and @Ernegienare able to help, as I'm sure they are well informed on features. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamScotch Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 Your best source of info would be either the changelog for Stellar OS or in MakeMHZ's Discord. Changelog: https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-2-0 (scroll down to changelog section) Discord: https://discord.gg/9YcuDpY The features list on Stellar's product page is unfortunately not an accurate list. Several features listed are still "planned" or "coming soon". As far as I'm aware, Xbox gamepad support is not available. Apparently it's close, so we should see it relatively soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoTeamScotch said: Your best source of info would be either the changelog for Stellar OS or in MakeMHZ's Discord. Changelog: https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-2-0 (scroll down to changelog section) Discord: https://discord.gg/9YcuDpY The features list on Stellar's product page is unfortunately not an accurate list. Several features listed are still "planned" or "coming soon". As far as I'm aware, Xbox gamepad support is not available. Apparently it's close, so we should see it relatively soon. Too Fast... update out: Time for another Stellar update! Firmware v1.3.0 - Native Xbox One and Xbox One Series Controller Support - Virtual Disc Sector Map Emulation - Improved 720P Boot Animation And so much more! https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-3-0 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vekter303 Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 Thanks for that. All I had seen was the information on the website, I appreciate the links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamScotch Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dtomcat18 said: Too Fast... update out: Time for another Stellar update! Firmware v1.3.0 - Native Xbox One and Xbox One Series Controller Support - Virtual Disc Sector Map Emulation - Improved 720P Boot Animation And so much more! https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-3-0 Lol firmware 1.3.0 dropped minutes after my reply. Glad to see Xbox gamepad support in place. I have an internal ogx360 in my main Xbox, so it's never bothered me too much. But it's nice to see more of those initial features getting crossed off over time. Might have to actually install my stellar one of these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vekter303 Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dtomcat18 said: Too Fast... update out: Time for another Stellar update! Firmware v1.3.0 - Native Xbox One and Xbox One Series Controller Support - Virtual Disc Sector Map Emulation - Improved 720P Boot Animation And so much more! https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-3-0 Haha, Dec 9th. Good stuff. Looks like 1.4 isn't far off either. Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, GoTeamScotch said: Lol firmware 1.3.0 dropped minutes after my reply. Glad to see Xbox gamepad support in place. I have an internal ogx360 in my main Xbox, so it's never bothered me too much. But it's nice to see more of those initial features getting crossed off over time. Might have to actually install my stellar one of these days. Same... made a batch of internal OGX360s... one for me and sold the rest... sold out in like 2 mins LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dtomcat18 said: Too Fast... update out: Time for another Stellar update! Firmware v1.3.0 - Native Xbox One and Xbox One Series Controller Support - Virtual Disc Sector Map Emulation - Improved 720P Boot Animation And so much more! https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/project-stellar-firmware-update-1-3-0 How does the controller support work through the LPC? Or are there other hookups that it's using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 Nope... he incorporated the driver into his replacement kernel. Uses the controller ports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vekter303 Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dtomcat18 said: Nope... he incorporated the driver into his replacement kernel. Uses the controller ports I was just catching up on that. I have always just used OG controllers. So, am I right in thinking I would use a Xbox to USB adaptor and then use a Wireless adaptor, to use the One X controller? I'm guessing it's that, rather than the Xbox to USB adaptor and then a USB data cable... Edited December 10, 2023 by vekter303 correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dtomcat18 said: Nope... he incorporated the driver into his replacement kernel. Uses the controller ports What comes between the controller ports and the controllers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtomcat Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 A usb adapter 23 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said: What comes between the controller ports and the controllers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamScotch Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/9/2023 at 6:12 PM, vekter303 said: So, am I right in thinking I would use a Xbox to USB adaptor and then use a Wireless adaptor, to use the One X controller? Unless I'm mistaken, the support is for wired Xbox One (or One X/Series X) controllers specifically, not for the wireless receiver Microsoft makes. You'd just get (or make) an Xbox-to-USB (female) adapter and connect the Xbox One controller to it using a USB cable and it works as if it were an Og Xbox controller. On 12/9/2023 at 6:22 PM, Bowlsnapper said: What comes between the controller ports and the controllers? A passive adapter. It's all software driven, so you only need to physically connect the Xbox One controller to the Xbox. Other methods, like using an OgX360 adapter had a device that translated button inputs and presented them to the Xbox as if they were a real Og Xbox controller pressing buttons, but this is an added driver that negates the need for external adapters (other than the passive cable mentioned above). Of course, you can make your own cable if you wanted to as well (skipping yellow sync wire). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlsnapper Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoTeamScotch said: Unless I'm mistaken, the support is for wired Xbox One (or One X/Series X) controllers specifically, not for the wireless receiver Microsoft makes. You'd just get (or make) an Xbox-to-USB (female) adapter and connect the Xbox One controller to it using a USB cable and it works as if it were an Og Xbox controller. A passive adapter. It's all software driven, so you only need to physically connect the Xbox One controller to the Xbox. Other methods, like using an OgX360 adapter had a device that translated button inputs and presented them to the Xbox as if they were a real Og Xbox controller pressing buttons, but this is an added driver that negates the need for external adapters (other than the passive cable mentioned above). Of course, you can make your own cable if you wanted to as well (skipping yellow sync wire). That's very interesting. It's a great feature, really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamScotch Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 It is interesting. OgX360's can tricky to put together, especially for newcomers, and pre-built devices range from $30 to $100. It can be even more expensive if you want wireless Xbox One controller support via 8BitDo adapters, which run $20 each (one needed per each player). My only complaint with all this is that this feature of having native Xbox One controller support was teased last year as Project Atlas, which is apparently abandoned and, I assume, was merged into Stellar as a proprietary feature. Quote We're in the process of releasing all of our tools and documentation for Project Atlas on the GitHub page. There's currently no ETA at this time. -Announcing Project Atlas! (Plus More!) - MakeMHZ.com As of Dec 2023, the GitHub page for Atlas has been dormant since it was announced. Currently, there's a binary patch for Halo that adds native Xbox One controller support and that's it. The project claims "Project Atlas is free and open source", which it is not. I mean, I get wanting to be compensated for your time and effort and make your product more valuable by adding features that people can only get by buying it, it's just disappointing when promises to open source things are discarded later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopenator Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GoTeamScotch said: It is interesting. OgX360's can tricky to put together, especially for newcomers, and pre-built devices range from $30 to $100. It can be even more expensive if you want wireless Xbox One controller support via 8BitDo adapters, which run $20 each (one needed per each player). My only complaint with all this is that this feature of having native Xbox One controller support was teased last year as Project Atlas, which is apparently abandoned and, I assume, was merged into Stellar as a proprietary feature. As of Dec 2023, the GitHub page for Atlas has been dormant since it was announced. Currently, there's a binary patch for Halo that adds native Xbox One controller support and that's it. The project claims "Project Atlas is free and open source", which it is not. I mean, I get wanting to be compensated for your time and effort and make your product more valuable by adding features that people can only get by buying it, it's just disappointing when promises to open source things are discarded later on don't forget about latency also. isn't there some latency added with ogx360 even if it is only ms? Edited December 13, 2023 by lopenator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said: That's very interesting. It's a great feature, really. Snapper, you should put together an ogx360. It's a fun project and I think you'd quite enjoy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, lopenator said: don't forget about latency also. isn't there some latency added with ogx360 even if it is only ms? Using 360 and PS3 controllers, I'm not noticing any significant lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopenator Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Marty said: Using 360 and PS3 controllers, I'm not noticing any significant lag. as per his GitHub it has less than 4ms Edited December 13, 2023 by lopenator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamScotch Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, lopenator said: don't forget about latency also. isn't there some latency added with ogx360 even if it is only ms? Barely... Quote Less than 4ms over an original controller. -OgX360 Github Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vekter303 Posted December 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, GoTeamScotch said: Unless I'm mistaken, the support is for wired Xbox One (or One X/Series X) controllers specifically, not for the wireless receiver Microsoft makes. You'd just get (or make) an Xbox-to-USB (female) adapter and connect the Xbox One controller to it using a USB cable and it works as if it were an Og Xbox controller. A passive adapter. It's all software driven, so you only need to physically connect the Xbox One controller to the Xbox. Other methods, like using an OgX360 adapter had a device that translated button inputs and presented them to the Xbox as if they were a real Og Xbox controller pressing buttons, but this is an added driver that negates the need for external adapters (other than the passive cable mentioned above). Of course, you can make your own cable if you wanted to as well (skipping yellow sync wire). Got that worked out eventually, thanks. I meant to update the thread in case anyone was curious... Originally, I thought the Stellar controller support was similar in function to OGX360. Anyway, new firmware updated and Series X controller tested and working - the box is being repaired by Jack at RetroModz, he does great work - he made this up too. USB-C to Xbox controller plug, lovely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopenator Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, vekter303 said: Got that worked out eventually, thanks. I meant to update the thread in case anyone was curious... Originally, I thought the Stellar controller support was similar in function to OGX360. Anyway, new firmware updated and Series X controller tested and working - the box is being repaired by Jack at RetroModz, he does great work - he made this up too. USB-C to Xbox controller plug, lovely. dude thats beautiful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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