SoftMod + ide2sata + SSD = (PAL) KO / (NTSC) OK

[soilengreen]

Hi

Sorry, google translation.
I have a specific xbox, it is a v1.3 to do tests and tricks. It has a modchip and it is possible to turn it on off with a switch.
Testing with a cheap aliexpress ssd, a situation that I had never seen before appeared.
In PAL, no exploit starts, whether NDURE is from whoever the installation is from, whether it is from the official NDURE 3.1 installer, like Rocky5, like Hexen, Crayzie, etc. As the old UXE doesn't work either. Always black screen. But instead I plug in the chip and switch to NTSC and all the softmods work perfectly.
If you install a mechanical HDD it works perfect in both PAL and NTSC

Is this problem from this specific SDD? Or does it happen to all SDD's? It's what has me intrigued. Right now I don't have any other SDD to test.

 

Lo siento, traducción de google.
Tengo una xbox en concreto, es una v1.3 para hacer pruebas y perrerías. lleva modchip y es posible hacer on off con un interruptor.
Haciendo pruebas con un ssd  barato de aliexpress, me ha aparecido una situación que jamás había visto antes.
En PAL no arranca ningún exploit, tanto NDURE sea de quien sea la instalación, tanta sea del instalador oficial NDURE 3.1, como  Rocky5, como Hexen, Crayzie, etc. Como tampoco funciona el antiguo UXE. Siempre pantalla negra. Pero en cambio, conecto el chip y cambio a NTSC y todos los softmod funcionan perfectamente.
Si instala un HDD mecánico funciona perfecto tanto en PAL como en NTSC

Este problema es de este SDD en concreto? o le pasa a todos los SDD's? Es l oque me tiene intrigado. Ahora mismo no dispongo de ningun otro SDD para hacer pruebas.

[MadMartigan]

First off, if you are turning on a chip, then you are no longer using the soft mod. The Xbox is booting directly from the mod chip. 
 

Second, if you have a PAL region Xbox and using it outside of the PAL region, sometimes you will get no picture or a slightly distorted picture in greyscale. The mod chip is not being restricted by that limitation. With a soft mod, you need to pick the correct region of output. 

[soilengreen]

I think that due to the issue of the translator, what I mean is not fully understood.
Obviously when I talk about Softmod the modchip is OFF.
This console is European xbe region eur and video in ntsc.
I'm not talking about image distortions or things like that either, I'm saying that with SDD it works perfectly with Modchip both PAL and NTSC. With Softmod it also works but ONLY in NTSC, the moment I go back to PAL, any exploit stops working, both NDURE and the veteran UXE. From any installer.
I have several IDE2SATA converters and it does the same with all of them, with mechanical HDDs, there is no problem, but with this SDD yes
Unfortunately I don't have more SDD to test. At the moment I am left with the intrigue of knowing the reason for this situation.

Creo que por el tema de traductor no se acaba de entender bien lo que quiero decir.
Evidentemente cuando hablo de Softmod el modchip está en OFF.
Esta consola es europea región xbe eur y vídeo en ntsc.
Tampoco estoy hablando de distorsiones de imagen o cosas así, estoy diciendo que con SDD funciona perfecto con Modchip tanto PAL como NTSC. Con Softmod también funciona  pero pero SOLO en NTSC, en el momento que vuelvo a PAL, deja de funcionar cualquier exploit, tanto NDURE como el veterano UXE. De cualquier instalador.
Tengo varios convertidores IDE2SATA y con todos hace lo mismo, con HDD mecánicos, no hay problema, pero con este SDD si
Por desgracia no tengo mas SDD para hacer pruebas. De momento que quedo con la intriga de saber el porqué de esta situación.
 

 

[SS_Dave]

 

1 hour ago, soilengreen said:

I think that due to the issue of the translator, what I mean is not fully understood.
Obviously when I talk about Softmod the modchip is OFF.
This console is European xbe region eur and video in ntsc.
I'm not talking about image distortions or things like that either, I'm saying that with SDD it works perfectly with Modchip both PAL and NTSC. With Softmod it also works but ONLY in NTSC, the moment I go back to PAL, any exploit stops working, both NDURE and the veteran UXE. From any installer.
I have several IDE2SATA converters and it does the same with all of them, with mechanical HDDs, there is no problem, but with this SDD yes
Unfortunately I don't have more SDD to test. At the moment I am left with the intrigue of knowing the reason for this situation.

Soft mods and hard mods ( Mod chip ) do not work well on the same hard drive and have been know to give a black screen or not fully load correctly 

I would just use the mod chip all the time.

 

Cheers

SS Dave

Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing.
 

[soilengreen]

Hi

Better leave it that way, since I see that for me the language barrier is insurmountable.

Saludos

[HDShadow]

Maybe somebody else has said this but I'm too lazy today to check.

I would have thought the problems could be explained by the OP not understanding that the HDD/SSD has to be locked to be able to use it with a softmod but not with a chip.

My guess is that the SSD is unlocked and the HDD he mentioned earlier that does work is locked.

It maybe as simple as that................................possibly.

[Bowlsnapper]

1 hour ago, HDShadow said:

Maybe somebody else has said this but I'm too lazy today to check.

I would have thought the problems could be explained by the OP not understanding that the HDD/SSD has to be locked to be able to use it with a softmod but not with a chip.

My guess is that the SSD is unlocked and the HDD he mentioned earlier that does work is locked.

It maybe as simple as that................................possibly.

Softmods require a stock setup, including HDD locking, because it boots with a stock bios... but why the hell would you want a softmod and a hardmod depending on whether the chip is enabled?

[soilengreen]

XBOX 1.3 + Aladdin Advance + switch ON-OFF

In all cases, HDD / SDD  Locked & ModChip in OFF

HDD IDE PATA, works ok, any softmod from any installer. It does not influence whether it is in PAL or NTSC. Correct operation in all cases.

HDD SATA + IDE2SATA (various verified models) , works ok, any softmod from any installer. It does not influence whether it is in PAL or NTSC. Correct operation in all cases.

SDD + IDE2SATA (various verified models) , works ok, any softmod from any installer. Correct operation in all cases. But only in NTSC mode.  In PAL mode, no type of exploit works, be it NDURE or UXE, from any installer. 

Does this xbox have a hdd activity led, in PAL mode

In PAL mode it barely lights up for a second and stops, I think it loads the xboxdash.xbe from the exploit and it stops there.

 

[SS_Dave]

2 hours ago, soilengreen said:

XBOX 1.3 + Aladdin Advance + switch ON-OFF

In all cases, HDD / SDD  Locked & ModChip in OFF

HDD IDE PATA, works ok, any softmod from any installer. It does not influence whether it is in PAL or NTSC. Correct operation in all cases.

HDD SATA + IDE2SATA (various verified models) , works ok, any softmod from any installer. It does not influence whether it is in PAL or NTSC. Correct operation in all cases.

SDD + IDE2SATA (various verified models) , works ok, any softmod from any installer. Correct operation in all cases. But only in NTSC mode.  In PAL mode, no type of exploit works, be it NDURE or UXE, from any installer. 

Does this xbox have a hdd activity led, in PAL mode

In PAL mode it barely lights up for a second and stops, I think it loads the xboxdash.xbe from the exploit and it stops there.

 

What brand of sata2ide are you using?

What bios are you using?

 

Cheers

SS Dave

Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing.
 

[soilengreen]

They were all purchased many years ago, especially the red one from dealextreme. The SDD is new, no known brand. The C does not work, I have another model (JP103-5) that does work but it does not appear in the photos.

The problem with PAL+SDD is present regardless of the adapter that is used

Todos fueron comprados hace muchos años, en especial el de color rojo que proviene de dealextreme. El SDD es nuevo, sin marca conocida. El C no funciona, tengo otro modelo que si funciona pero no sale en las fotos.

El problema con PAL+SDD  esta presente se use el adaptador que se use

 

[SS_Dave]

What bios are you using?

 

Cheers

SS Dave

Soft modding is like masturbating, It gets the job done but it's nothing like the real thing.
 

 

[HDShadow]

8 hours ago, Bowlsnapper said:

Softmods require a stock setup, including HDD locking, because it boots with a stock bios... but why the hell would you want a softmod and a hardmod depending on whether the chip is enabled?

That's what I have on two out of three of the chipped or TSOPed Xboxes I've done - it is a safety net. It means that if the chip fails and you can lock the HDD it will boot on the same Xbox as there is an E:\evoxdash.xbe (assuming that is your softmod of choice's primary dash's XBE). I have softmodded/locked retail HDDs for all my hardmodded Xboxes too. 

HeXEn's supplied BIOS are set up to use a secondary dash path that I think is the same as the softmod one E:\Dash\UnleashX.xbe it installs, probably for the same reason.

[soilengreen]

I have news:

XBOX turned off but with a non-original disk inside, I boot with the Power button, after the original bios animation, black screen. Does not load the disc.

XBOX turned off, booted with the Power button, after the original bios animation, black screen.

Xbox off, boot with eject button, tray opens, after original bios animation, black screen. The tray does not close by itself.

XBOX turned off, started with the Power button, after the animation of the original bios, black screen. Then I press the Eject button, it feints to reboot, closes the tray and loads perfectly into exploit.

Tested in PAL and PAL 60

It's crazy...

 

 

 

Tengo novedades:

XBOX apagada pero con un disco no original dentro, arranco con el botón Power, después de la animación de la bios original, pantalla negra. No carga el disco.

XBOX apagada, arranco con el botón Power, después de la animación de la bios original, pantalla negra.

Xbox apagada, arranco con el botón Eject, se abre la bandeja,  después de la animación de la bios original, pantalla negra. La bandeja no se cierra solo.

XBOX apagada, arranco con el botón Power, después de la animación de la bios original, pantalla negra. Entonces pulso el botón Eject, hace un amago de reinicio, cierra la bandeja y carga perfectamente en exploit.

Probado en PAL y PAL 60

Es de locos...

 

 

[Bowlsnapper]

16 hours ago, HDShadow said:

That's what I have on two out of three of the chipped or TSOPed Xboxes I've done - it is a safety net. It means that if the chip fails and you can lock the HDD it will boot on the same Xbox as there is an E:\evoxdash.xbe (assuming that is your softmod of choice's primary dash's XBE). I have softmodded/locked retail HDDs for all my hardmodded Xboxes too. 

HeXEn's supplied BIOS are set up to use a secondary dash path that I think is the same as the softmod one E:\Dash\UnleashX.xbe it installs, probably for the same reason.

I can understand the safety net. But having two different types of mods usually results in unwanted conflicts SOONER or later. Man, opening the xbox and swapping out the HDDs (although as an impressive failsafe and layer of precaution) seems like overkill.

However, try the font installation: 

Under NKPatcher settings > Kernel > Advanced features

Just a random suggestion. I have no idea if it would actually work in your situation...

[soilengreen]

The kernels are already all tested and they do not solve anything, I have added the typical s.xtf s1.xtf, etc. without result.
But I have to say that I have an ide2sata converter that if it works in this specific case, from the outset I had ruled it out since it causes freezing of the bios animation, both original and that of the modchip, as well as sound cuts.
Of the 4 types of ide2sata that I have, two work with a 40 and 80-wire cable, another one only with 80 wires, and finally another that also only works with 80 wires and freezes the boot animation, although it later works OK.
Tomorrow I can take a picture of them.

 

 

Los kernels ya están todos probados y no solucionan nada, ha te he añadido los tipicos s.xtf s1.xtf, etc sin resultado.
Pero he de decir que tengo un convertidor ide2sata que si funciona en este caso especifico, de entrada lo tenía descartado ya que produce congelación de la animación de la bios, tanto original como la del modchip, lo mismo que cortes de sonido.
De los 4 tipos de ide2sata que tengo, dos funciona con cable de 40 y 80 hilos, otro solo con 80 hilos y por último otro que también solo funciona con 80 hilos y congela la animación de arranque, aunque luego funciona OK.
Mañana podre una foto de ellos.

[Bowlsnapper]

8 hours ago, soilengreen said:

The kernels are already all tested and they do not solve anything, I have added the typical s.xtf s1.xtf, etc. without result.
But I have to say that I have an ide2sata converter that if it works in this specific case, from the outset I had ruled it out since it causes freezing of the bios animation, both original and that of the modchip, as well as sound cuts.
Of the 4 types of ide2sata that I have, two work with a 40 and 80-wire cable, another one only with 80 wires, and finally another that also only works with 80 wires and freezes the boot animation, although it later works OK.
Tomorrow I can take a picture of them.

 

 

Los kernels ya están todos probados y no solucionan nada, ha te he añadido los tipicos s.xtf s1.xtf, etc sin resultado.
Pero he de decir que tengo un convertidor ide2sata que si funciona en este caso especifico, de entrada lo tenía descartado ya que produce congelación de la animación de la bios, tanto original como la del modchip, lo mismo que cortes de sonido.
De los 4 tipos de ide2sata que tengo, dos funciona con cable de 40 y 80 hilos, otro solo con 80 hilos y por último otro que también solo funciona con 80 hilos y congela la animación de arranque, aunque luego funciona OK.
Mañana podre una foto de ellos.

Shit. That was all I had.

[soilengreen]

Hi

They all work correctly. The "D" is the one that freezes the startup animation. After that it seems to work fine.
They all work with ModChip and any Bios, 4981, 5003, M8+, Cerbios (Mechanical HDD and SDD) (PAL and NTSC)
They all work with any SoftMod (mechanical HDD) (PAL and NTSC). But with SDD they only work in NTSC video mode.
The only one I've ever managed to get SoftMod to boot in PAL was with adapter D, it still fails most of the time.

As I have said from the beginning, I only have one SDD to test, it is possible that with another brand this will not happen or it may be even worse.
When I have another SDD I will test it and post the results.

 

 

Todos funcionan correctamente. El "D" es el que congela la animación de inicio. Después parece funcionar correctamente.
Todos funcionan con ModChip y cualquier Bios, 4981, 5003, M8+, Cerbios (HDD mecánico y SDD) (PAL y NTSC)
Todos funcionan con cualquier SoftMod  (HDD mecánico) (PAL y NTSC). Pero con SDD solo funcionan en modo de vídeo NTSC.
El único que he conseguido que alguna vez arranque con SoftMod en PAL ha sido con el adaptador D, aun así falla la mayoría de veces.

Como he dicho desde el principio, solo tengo un SDD para hacer pruebas, es posible que con otra marca esto no pase o puede que sea aun peor.
Cuando tengo otro SDD haré pruebas y postearé los resultados.

 

[Bowlsnapper]

Dude, I don't bother with anything that doesn't have a jumper to set in the first place... That's not a helpful post, but why bother with these adapters?