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I'm glad to hear that you found us on google. I spend a couple of nights a week working on this site's SEO. I started modding with the Xbox and just fell in love with it. I think everyone else here did too. I'm very glad to have you here.

That point has already been discussed and put to rest. Please read the entire thread before you jump in. If you have a new point to make, I'm more than happy to discuss it. If it's already taken place, which this one has then I don't think there is any usefulness in rehashing it.

Thank you! Glad to have you.

Other people have managed to sign to our discord channel so I think the problem might be on your end in that case. As far as consolidating, I'm open to it but I can't link it like I did ours. So the tunnelers group is welcome to begin using ours since it's capable of being linked here or we'll have to make the necessary change to the tunnelers config so it can be used here. It doesn't matter to me either way as long as we can revive this a little bit.

I already stated what you stated here. You're saying unsigned code isn't required. It is if you don't want to have to sign EVERY XBE that runs on the system. So while in the most black and white of viewpoints it's not required... it actually is for the end user. You're wanting to get into semantics of how the mod functions in order to create a new argument. I get that. You know more about how the softmod functions than anyone else... including me. There is no contest there. Fortunately, that is not required for this discussion. The fact is and you admit it right there, that the exploit is what enables everything, but it needs to run some other piece of code that is used for another purpose. If that purpose is to run unsigned code aka make the console modified in the way we all know and love.. it is a softmod. So by your own explanation the exploit is one thing. The softmod, while it depends on the exploit to exist is another thing. Hardware is used in an exploit as well. How else will you get the exploited save on there? We CAN stop going round in circles only because I don't think you understand that this is fun to me and not offensive in any way. I have the utmost respect for you, who you are, and what you do. Try not to take offense to me. I really enjoy intelligent discussions and while you may not share the opinion that this is one of those, I believe it is.

"it's not difficult to understand Hardmod = hardware modification ( anything that requires soldering for example ) softmod = Software modification ( anything that modified code on the Xbox )" Except a hardmod is just using hardware to replace the stock bios. So it's modifying software... so by your definition it is also a softmod.

The key question that needs to be answered is: If running an exploit is softmodding, what is it called when you automatically run the exploit at every boot that either patches or replaces the stock bios with a modified bios so that you can run unsigned code? Unsigned code is not only important... it is THE MOST important variable in the equation. Without this, you can't differentiate between running an exploit to run a single program or actually booting to a modified state. That is what this discussion is about and that is what the logic supports. I'm sorry if you got angry about it, but the logic is quite clear.

The bandwagon technique is an effective propaganda technique but is not useful in a logical discussion.

In this case, the key (exploit) gives you access to a room that then can be used to enter the secret room in various ways(TSOP flash or softmod).

It's like saying a key = a secret room. Of course it doesn't. The key enables you to open the door to get access to the secret room, but it is not itself the secret room.

What I don't get is: why you don't get the fact that running the exploit itself does not in and of itself modify the console to allow you to run any unsigned code on it. Thus it's not a softmod. It enables the softmod. The softmod is what enables all unsigned code to run. This is extremely clear and nothing you've said has changed that. So I don't get what you don't get about it... but it just couldn't be any more clear.

Key phrase "so it can load a specific xbe" = not softmodded.

You're right in that it's not hard to understand... but nothing you've said has rebutted what I've said. The fact remains that the exploit and softmod are not the same thing. They are two very different things. To say anything else is to be intentionally deceptive to people trying to understand. Sorry but you're just incorrect and I'm not going to back down from it unless you actually have something to rebut the point. You don't, so that's it in my mind. Again, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. You believe what you believe. I believe what I believe. I walked through the logic of what I believe. You didn't. So I have to stick with what I believe as I can follow the logic.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Softmod doesn't just mean software modification. It means that the console operates in a modified state without a hardware modification. To me it's pretty darn clear. The exploit itself simply enables you to run some very specific code that you couldn't before... but not all unsigned code. At the time it runs, no stock software has been modified. It runs pbl for example which loads a bfm bios and boom. You're now in a modified state. All unsigned code runs. The way to know if you're "modded" or not is when the stock bios is no longer running and a hacked bios is running its place.... or the stock bios has been patched, etc. There is no grey area. So no, I think logically your point is off the mark and makes it incredibly confusing for people to understand. I believe my point still stands. You do not have to load a bfm bios to TSOP flash. You only need to run an exploit that runs flashing software. That quite clearly isn't a softmod as it's not replacing the bios in memory and enabling you to run all unsigned code. We have to remember why the term softmod even exists. If hardware mods didn't exist, would we call them softmods? No. They would just be mods. So, it is extremely clear that softmod doesn't just mean software modification. It means that the system operates in a fully modified state but lacks a hardware mod. I respect you and everything you've done and I hope my post doesn't seem disrespectful.

In Xbox modding, there are some terms used and people seem to get confused on them. One of the most common is: "You have to softmod to TSOP flash" No you do not. The confusion is over what an exploit is and what a softmod is. An exploit is required to run the softmod, but they are not the same thing. The exploit is a buffer overflow or some other sort of attack that can be done on the unmodified software, to make it run unsigned code. Since each application still has to pass the checks that the retail bios runs on it, we have to sign each application. Therefore, practically speaking we can only run 1 application per exploit. So, we just sign the flashing software for the exploit, run the exploit and it loads the flashing software. We flash the TSOP and away we go. No more need for exploits, softmods, or locked hdds. The softmod is running an exploit at boot and specifically replacing the stock bios in memory with a boot from media bios. This causes the unmodified system to operate from this point on (until it is powered off) exactly like a hardware modified console. So we can see, to TSOP flash we only need to run a flashing program. So we don't need to softmod. We only need an exploit. Next would be TSOP and EEPROM. The TSOP is an EEPROM but not THE eeprom. Bunnie called the 8 pin chip that stores the serial, hdd key, online key, etc the "eeprom". He called the EEPROM that contains the bios, the "TSOP" because he couldn't very well call that an eeprom as well. Imagine the confusion! TSOP just means "Thin Small Outline Package". This name basically describes fact that it's a non-square rectangle with the pins on two sides. I'll add more as I think of them.

I pinned it.

Thank you. We're very glad you're here.

Anyone up for a go now? I'm starting up the game server.

If you're willing, go into Xlink Kai.. Navigate to: Arena > XBox > First Person Shooter > Halo > Halo NTSC-North America > Then join the OGXbox.com room. The password is kasumi Let's see if we can get a game of halo going.

Game night will be every Saturday night at 8:30pm Eastern time. The discord link is here: https://discord.gg/D9DJUhJ (for chat and voice) You'll need Xlink Kai and you'll need to have it configured for port 30,000. You'll need to port forward port 30,000 both TCP and UDP to the pc where you're running Xlink Kai. Then it should work without issues. See you there!

Very nice!

haha no there are quite a few of us with the Xbox collecting disease. Some collect mainly controllers. Others uncommon modding parts, games, or consoles. It's a mixed bag but we all love it. Glad to have you here.

Yeah that would be awesome. I'll pin it and possibly contribute.

I think that might be your antivirus or something. It downloads for me and everyone else perfectly.

Yeah it can if done right. Just remember, VERY slight touches of the potentiometer make HUGE adjustments. You don't need to reduce the resistance all that much to make a difference. It's harder than it seems.