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6 hours ago, Bowlsnapper said:
You're saying that you TSOP flashed without a softmod already before this tool was out? Could you please tell us how?
5 hours ago, MadMartigan said:Yes, please enlighten us. I had never heard anyone say this before then. Seems it would’ve been much more widespread news if this were the case, long ago.
I'm not sure if we're splitting hairs here but I've never softmodded either. I tsop flashed hundreds of xboxs back in 2002/3 - 2006 just by running the exploit and having it run raincoat. Then I'd go to my pc and give it the commands to erase the tsop and then write the bios to it.
IMO running the exploit is not softmodding. It allows us to run the 1 app, but does not in and of itself make the console run unsigned code at next boot. THAT would be a softmod. Forcing the exploit to run at every boot and then having that automatically load a bfm bios is a softmod.
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Locking because I don't think anything positive can come from this from here on. I HATE stifling free speech, but I don't see a path forward for this thread.
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I ran across this thread from Milenko:
Edit: I thought it was the guy behind Cerbios but apparently it is not.-
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Anyone else notice the solder splash containing a resistor and c7d2 tombstoned with a possibly lifted trace?
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As far as Dubesinhower's video:
I think he's trying to be fair. I also think he has a little bit of bias toward the maker of this product because they have direct communication. I think we would all do the same. You would tend to believe the person you know vs those you don't.
As far as the argument that stellar would be protected under "Fair Use", there is a gaping hole in that theory.Under Fair Use you CAN reverse engineer hardware and software to make your product work with an existing product.
https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#:~:text=Fair Use%3A The fair use,can be a fair use.
For that to apply, there could only be one Kernel revision (that being 5838). As it stands, only v1.6 Xbox's with Kernel 5838 would work with Stellar. If it were only intended for use on 1.6's with 5838, then Fair Use would apply. Since EVERY OTHER APPLICATION of this product would require the user to locate and download 5838 and apply it to their console, Fair Use could not apply. Stellar would need to be interoperable without modifying the original product. Since that is the minority of use cases, it simply does not apply here.
Also see: Blizzard v. BnetD
If the Xbox has a EULA that tells you not to make copies or reverse engineer it, then it CANNOT BE FAIR USE if you do so. The Xbox Dashboards all say not to make copies of the Xbox Software (which you would need to do to analyze them so you could reverse engineer them), invalidating the Fair Use claim.
Edit: I don't say this to take sides. I don't support people taking each other's work and undercutting each other. I also don't support frivolous lawsuits or threats of them to strong-arm people into doing what you want. -
18 hours ago, RMM said:
Its pretty simple. Any modification that bypasses Xbox security for any reason is illegal under U.S. law and a violation of the DMCA. This is not a gray area and never has been. You cant claim copyright of an illegal product that infringes on Microsofts copyright.
https://ipmall.law.unh.edu/sites/default/files/hosted_resources/CyberCrime/CyberCrime_DMCA_Rocci.asp
You posted an article from 2003 when the XBOX was in its heyday. There is an exemption to the DMCA for obsolete computer programs. The Xbox now qualifies as that. So what was applicable in 2003 is no longer applicable.
"3. Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace."
https://itlaw.fandom.com/wiki/DMCA_Exemptions_to_the_Prohibition_on_Circumvention
So, imagine you own a collection of OGXbox game disks and would like to play them but cannot seem to find an OGXbox with a working disk drive. They aren't made anymore and aren't available in retail stores like they used to be. Your option is to circumvent the copy protection so you can legitimately play the software you own.
It was mentioned further down that the software is available in "the marketplace" meaning xbox one and xbox series "Store". While the games are the same title, the games have been remastered and are in a different format so that they can be played on the newer consoles. (I'm sure emulation will come up, but if you've ever purchased one you can see it's in xvd format. It appears to be standalone so if it is emulated each title contains the emulator and the rom.) It's far cheaper and faster to pay the 7-10 dollars for the game there (assuming you have a console that can view it there and know it exists) than to purchase an ogxbox, modify it, add a hdd, acquire the title you want, come up with a way to connect it to a modern tv, etc. In other words, even if someone is a filthy pirate of the ogxbox, it's not in direct competition with xbox games playable on modern consoles.
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DO NOT SELL Pre-made hd+ clones here. I will perma-ban you.
DO NOT POST THE FIRMWARE HERE or link to it. If you have, remove it. I've searched and can't find it so I'm hopeful that it doesn't exist here. I have also not received a DMCA takedown notice. I've looked and have not found one. If I did, I would remove the requested thread and prepare a legal defense. I understand people have strong feelings about this brand. I haven't taken the time to care or have an opinion on it. While this site is about unlocking the original xbox to do things it was never meant to do now that it is no longer being produced or turning a profit for its maker, it is not meant to bring harm to anyone at all. The intent is actually quite the opposite.
I have no dog in this fight and I hate to see this drama happen. I am just trying to understand from a legal perspective what is actually going on here. To understand any potential litigation I have a couple of questions people here might be able to help me answer.
1. Is the firmware obtainable via that github page(or was it ever)? Meaning, is the firmware that is being discussed to not be flashed to their official product but instead a cheap third party device available on that github? Can it be downloaded there instead of extracted from their hardware?
The entire GPL argument hinges on this answer. I GUARANTEE a court would find that only the software / firmware listed on the github page where the GPL license is displayed is covered by the GPL IF any is listed. Firmware that could not be obtained there, but could only be obtained via special hardware and software would almost certainly not be covered(meaning the firmware being read from the hd+ and dumped to a file that can then be distributed). These questions would be asked: "What firmware is shared under GPLv2? Is it explicitly listed? Can we implicitly assume from this statement that ALL firmware is covered or only firmware on github or explicitly listed in the license statement? Absent any firmware being available on github, it may be reasonable to assume that the firmware in question IS covered since any other firmware is absent." Meaning, if no firmware is available on github, you could have ONLY been speaking about THIS firmware.
Finally, the question would arise if it was ambiguous that this firmware is covered under GPLv2: "Why would a person purchase a product with this firmware, then extract it other than to replicate the product?"2. Under the DMCA, is anyone familiar with a provision within it that EXCLUDES the DMCA protection of code that circumvents copy protection from itself being copied and circumvented? In other words, if you have a piece of code that circumvents copy protection, can you still insist the DMCA protect your code from circumvention? Once the HD+ required the modchip component instead of JUST the hdmi mod, this would become very relevant.
There IS an exclusion for devices no longer being produced and profit being drawn from them. That's why sites like this can exist. We don't advocate for or even want piracy, but I am aware some people could use the information obtained here for those purposes. I absolutely would NOT have facilitated this site if the subject of this site were still in production and generating a profit for its maker. I waited to launch this site until not only that console generation had been sunset but also the following generation. They were in the third year of their third generation console before I launched this site covering the first generation console JUST to ensure no harm was caused. Also worth noting, this site does not generate profit. It operates at a net loss every month. It's not full of ads. There is no paywall. Therefore, I'd prefer to not be sued. I do this to bring people into this hobby together and no other reason. Topics like this REALLY sour me on it and make me wonder why I even do this at all.
So that means if someone does find the provision in the DMCA that I asked for, that it's STILL murky because the Xbox is not a current product that yields profit yet the HD+ is. It can come back into question though because the second product's usability and thus profit depends on the first product being exploited (protections circumvented). If YOU are now turning a profit on that particular device by way of your own device, are YOU protected? I've not found a ruling for precedent on that. It would be very expensive for any party that decides to get some clarity here.
3. Does anyone have a link or screenshot to the product in question saying to obtain and use MS firmware 5838?Question 2 can nullify this question but most likely would not. It could show a bad faith argument that a product that "patches" the firmware of another to make it perform in a way other than it was designed and to enable circumvention of copy protection cannot be afforded legal protection. It's applicable because they are requiring a user to go out and find a dumped firmware, and apply it to their hardware in EXACTLY the same manner their litigation would seek to protect them from.
(Found here before posting: https://makemhz.com/blogs/news/announcing-project-stellar-plus-more)
I'm going to editorialize for a moment here... and please remember that I don't know the back story (please don't tell me on this website) of why people seem to dislike this brand or at least one particular individual behind it. I only see the dislike from certain people and of course unhappy people are the only people you ever hear from. Satisfied people never say anything. With that being said: This "discovery" could have been released with unique and original firmware and nobody would have had a single possibly legitimate legal complaint. It appears that it was released specifically to take a jab at this company, and I believe that is why it got the reaction it got rather than just passive-aggressive commentary in a discord somewhere.
Could we all just start making better decisions and not acting out of personal animosity? If someone is truly as bad as some say, they will self-destruct on their own without your help. It's important to not become the villain when you're trying to be the hero. That is a lot more difficult to do than people realize and we've all been there. I'm NOT talking down to you as though I'm smarter or better. I've been petty in the past. I'm only trying to share advice I wish I would have had.-
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You'll need an online component that requires a unique login to stop people from pirating it.
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You'll need to be proficient in C++, DirectX calls, and you'll need the source code from the emulator you want to port.
Start here: https://xbdev.net/tuts/tuts.php-
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@BowlsnapperCalm the fuck down.
Everyone who reported it, toughen the fuck up.
If I have to do more than this, nobody is going to like it. The Xbox is 22 years old. All of us should be at least that old. Let's act like it.
If you can't make a point without cursing people out and talking mad shit, you're a child and I'm going to have to ban you.
If you can't handle someone saying things you don't like and you have to tattle on them, you're a child also.-
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I'm not the same guy.
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16 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said:
Hell, not up to me! I guess 6mb would help make room for the larger photos that are taken in the sun( those tend to be larger). Not all smartphone pics make it under 4mb, some exceed that. The sizes vary. I would love to have room for DSLR photos 15mb, and it would cut down on multiple posts for phone pics. But you have finite server space and that's not realistic. So if you truly are considering an increase, I would say to 6mb.
I increased the sizes. LMK if that helps.
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On 6/20/2023 at 8:51 PM, Bowlsnapper said:
Edges were all rust.
Sorry for all the posts... There's a 4mb limit...
@OGXbox Admin Is that limit there to help keep server space free? Do we need it at 4mb? Or is it just a leftover default from inception?
Cuz all I end up doing is making separate posts, but I might be the only crazy asshole to do so. Lol
What would you like the limit to be?
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13 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said:
I'm confused by sixspeed's (which is a badass username) post. It sounded like he had to track down a member and ask for an invite. That's odd.
Just admin approval then, like you mentioned? Last question. Don't wanna spam the thread, especially in this instance!
No I didn't enable that. I have thus far been able to slow down the spammers without it. Nothing to the end user has changed.
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6 minutes ago, Bowlsnapper said:
Is that how it works now? We have to dole out invites? That's a bummer for new members.
Although, I'm part of an exclusive club now 
Cool!
Hopefully after enough time has passed and that spammer dicksnap moves on with his life, we can open registration back up again... Unless it's a bot! Shit!
That's not how it works. I logged out and created a random test member earlier and it worked just fine. It's the same way it has always been.
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1 minute ago, sixspeed said:
Finally was able to make an account on the forum, had to chase down @Dtomcat18 and message him on eBay
thanks again man!
I’d like to put in an order for 2-3 of these! Do you have any white LEDs?
Sorry about that. In an effort to thwart spammers I killed registration.
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On 1/29/2022 at 8:58 AM, ZakMcRofl said:
Is the err16 fix in this listing really accurate in regards to err16? It would indicate that only three bios exist with err16 fix:
Xecuter2 4981
Xecuter2 4982
Xecuter2 4983And that it was removed in later bios versions? If the general recommendation is to use a err16 fixed bios on Xbox with removed Clock capacitors, it feels like more bios should be patched or patchable to have err16 fix.
I don't know if it's accurate as I just copied it from the internet archive of x-s. It shows more than those 3 bioses. The only one it was "removed" from would be evox m8+ which doesn't have any issues booting without a clock cap I don't believe. Either the table is mismarked or they found a smarter way to get around it. I'm not sure.
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The problem is you're copying the encryption as well. It's JUST making an iso of the drive and is not defeating any encryption. Thus when you attempt to play the movie from a source other than intended it will not play correctly.
I'm not going to explain how, but the proper method for backing up your legally owned dvd's is out there. Look into ripping the dvd's with dvd decryption software and encoding them into a newer format like h265 and use a current container like mkv. I don't know if Xbox can play h265 now that I think of it... so make sure of that first. You might have to stick to h264. Then you can store the files on a nas on your network and access them from the Xbox.-
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get a pin extractor and new pins. Strip the wires and crimp on the pins and slide them into the connector. I don't know what the pins are called, but some googling should render good results.
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On 1/13/2023 at 11:55 PM, Unicron said:
Hello all!
I use to be really into the mods back in the days. I shared a lot of hardware info and came up with a easy to build Eprom reader to get the Hdd KEYS out of the bios chip storage.
I recently pulled out 4 Xboxes that I had squirreled away for future projects, I saw this on a YouTube video and thought, wow people are still into modding the old Xbox!
Good to meet all of you!
Great to meet you too!
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This is not bad for such a small radiator. If anyone could fit a larger radiator in there the temps would be much closer to ambient.
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On 5/2/2022 at 7:05 PM, corona2222 said:
did you find out why? was it just bad judgement by well intended admins?
FB will sometimes say things don't meet community standards. Everyone thinks it's admin but it's not... It will just be gone. Sometimes you get a message about it. Sometimes you don't. There are ways entire groups can disappear. It's not really the safest way to try to have a community or archive information. It's so far outside of anyone's control it's not funny. That's why this site exists.
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1 minute ago, MadMartigan said:
Thank you for all of your time and effort.
Thank you for being part. I'm not the important one. You all are. This site could be totally empty... yet here you are. So the thanks goes to all of you.
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4 hours ago, Bowlsnapper said:
I was just wondering, whatˋs the story with Admin? What is his background? How did he get into the scene? What led him to create this badass forum we all use? I am curious to know!
I try to stay in the background because the site is really about you all and I would never want to have much if any focus on me.
With that said... I have always loved Xbox modding. I was really into it back in 2002-2004. I learned all I could and modded lots of Xboxs back then. I changed careers in 2014 and that took me to a new state and somehow all of that change rekindled my love for Xbox. I looked around for people who were still into it and they were scattered everywhere. Xbox-scene was dying/dead. I created the FB group and it took off relatively quickly. I did a lot of things wrong there by choosing the wrong admins and commenting on topics unrelated to Xbox.... moderating in a way that was frankly unprofessional. (I still do from time to time if I'm in a weird mood.)
Once the FB group membership got around 10k, we started having content just disappear from the FB group. I became aware that the group could quite literally vanish in the blink of an eye.
My skillset is in the world of IT, so spinning up a web server was really no trouble. So I fired up a VM on my server at home, set it up and allowed it through my firewall and announced the site. Once the site grew, I went ahead and moved it to a VPS cloud host so it doesn't depend on my home's power and internet reliability.Hopefully I covered whatever you were looking for. If not let me know and I'll answer almost anything.
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Yeah I flashed with linux back then because it had no trouble with Winbond TSOPs. So I would just do all TSOP's the same way. Also, raincoat is way more stable than evox. You didn't have to worry about the console crashing during the erasure or flash and bricking. It would always complete. So it was my preferred way to do it.